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 Post subject: scope mounting
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:12 am 
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My new scopes manual doesn't state anything about distance between rings. By my way of thinking, I want them as far apart as operationally possible. Is there a more experienced theory on this topic?


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 Post Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:32 pm 
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What matters is that the scope rings are straight, and in line with each other. If they're off a little it can affect poa adjustment, and it can damage your scope. When I mounted the scope on my .308 AR I borrowed a friends scope ring lapping and mounting equipment. It consisted of a torque screw driver to torque the mounting screws correctly, and a lapping tool to lap the rings and ensure they were in line with each other, and straight. It worked great, and I know my scope is solid and straight. No worries about over torquing or damaging the scope due to out of aligned scope rings.

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 Post Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:23 pm 
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Well, again, yes and no depending on who you're debating with.
Marty is correct. As long as your rings are in-line, are good quality and mounted properly you're golden.
The tiny distance between the rings pails in comparison to 100 to 300 yards, if they are out of alignmnet 1 inch further spread won't make any difference..
Get an alignment tool and use it. If you have a 1 inch scope tube get a 1 inch bar (i forget what thy're called) its a bar with extremely tight tolerance. Guaranteed perfectly strait.
Get your scope mounts and mount them only snug. Get permanent marker abd paint the bar where scope rings will fall on the bar when you mount it. Place the bar in the rings. tighten everything down as you would a scope. Take the bar off, check the surface area of the bar to see if the "edges" of the rings left any scars (indicating the surfaces are not in alignment).
If nor scars mount your scope.
IF there is scars, then the scope rings need to be sanded with a 1 inch sanding tool so the surfaces meet properly.
It may also indicate a mis-alignment in the rings :!: well, if there is scars, your rings ARE NOT in proper alignment. I've not experienced this, but you can purchase rings that are adjustable for perfect alignment.
You should use a scope bar when you're installing rings. Even if its just a cheap 1 inch aluminum tube from the hardware store. With some scope rings you cant use a tube cause screws are underneath the tube :cry:
BUT, if they are tightened with the bar in place, they should match your scope tube surface to surface.
It's not a big deal unless your shooting really long ranges and you might possibly need all of your scope windage adjustment (simple explanation to a more technical thing). Instead of using windage adjustment on the scope to adjust windage during your sight in you would use the scope rings.
*Be sure to CENTER you windage dial on your scope before you sight in your gun,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, (simply put, with perfect alignment you won't have to adjust your windage dial for correct O impact.
If you're haveing to use EXCESSIVE windage dial on your scope to site in your rifle, the scope rings are clearly not in proper alignment. Sanding the scope rings will not fix this problem.

Thats a quicky, somebody alse may be able to explain that better.

OHH, your probably mounting rings on a P Rail aren't you :idea:
Basically the same thing, but if your "P"Rail is not inline, obvioulsy, your scope won;t be either. Generally don'r run into a problem of need to sand your rings with quality P Rails. Good wide scope rings that catch a lot of rail will ensure alignment. If the windage bullet impact is not ZERO and the DIAL is ZERO you're out of alignment somewhere. If you need that windage iin the dial you'll need rings with windage adjustments.
I am not a long range shooter! If you're having this problem I would get some proper advice :lol: Above is just quick basics.

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 Post subject: Re: scope mounting
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:02 am 
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Yes, Seekins rings going on EGW 1 piece rail. I may try this bar method and look for scars. Not that I expect anything to go wrong with them but if you lap/sand Seekins rings it voids the warranty (doubt I'll ever need it). Seekins claims no lapping is required, they are machined identical and perfect. Don't shoot the messenger.


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 Post subject: Re: scope mounting
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:52 pm 
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Gary Rapp wrote:
Yes, Seekins rings going on EGW 1 piece rail. I may try this bar method and look for scars. Not that I expect anything to go wrong with them but if you lap/sand Seekins rings it voids the warranty (doubt I'll ever need it). Seekins claims no lapping is required, they are machined identical and perfect. Don't shoot the messenger.


Seekins makes good stuff, according to what I've read. The main reason I lapped the rings on my rig is due to imperfections in them that caused some unevenness on the insides of the rings. If you torque down on rings that have some imperfections on the inside of the rings it can cause marks on your scope at the least, and possible damage. I've seen this a time or two over the years. Lapping will also correct slight misalignment. In my case the alignment was off just a touch, as evidenced by the two bars not meeting perfectly in the middle. We also tested the inside of the rings for evenness, and found evidence they were a bit rough. This is common with less expensive scope mounts/rings. In my case, the Nikon P series rings just needed a little bit of lapping to even things out, and ensure perfect alignment. My rings, while considered decent quality by most, were less expensive than many brands. They cost me 47.00, plus tax.

I've got Leupold bases and rings on my Abolt .270. That scope was mounted many years ago at a small local gun shop. They tested the rings as we did with my new rifle, and found some slight imperfection. So, they lapped them lightly as I did mine. After mounting my scope back then I went to the range got it sighted in with Remington Core Lokt 130grn bullets, which shot excellent sub moa groups out of that rifle. And, I've not ever had to readjust the scope, EVER. The scope is a Leupold vari x3 2.5-8x32. It's an older Leupold, and is very nice glass.

My old Savage 111 30-06 has a Simmons 44 mag scope on it. The scope was on there when I bought it from the pawn shop for 200.00. I took the rig home, ensured all the screws were tight, cleaned it up cause it was real dusty, and went to the range. I sighted it in with 165grn Core Lokts, and I've never had to adjust it either. That's been almost 6yrs ago.

I'm not real rough on my gear, but I use it and don't baby it. I like to have confidence in it and know that nothing is going to come loose. I don't want any malfunctions at the wrong time. So, I just try to reduce those chances when I can. Once I find something that works for me, I stick with it. I'm real reluctant to change. I do like bargains too. So, if I find good gear at a great price I usually jump on it when I can, much to the chagrin of my missus.

I went through quite a few rifles over the years. Some were great shooters, but for whatever reason I got rid of them. Some I wished I had back. Now that I'm a bit older, and understand more about rifles and setting them up, I know some of the ones I let go were really much better than I thought back then. Some were worth quite a bit more money than I traded or sold them for. I've been a poor boy most of my life, and had crap scopes on most all of those rifles. Shucks, if I would have spent just a little extra money on even a low cost budget rifle scope that was decent in quality I might have kept quite a few of those rifles. I enjoy finding those bargains that perform above their price point.

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 Post subject: Re: scope mounting
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:24 pm 
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I wouldn't do it. If something is not lining up it most likely is NOT the scope rings at fault.
I dooubt anything will go wrong.
Looking forward to hearing the intial results.

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 Post subject: Re: scope mounting
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:46 am 
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This is the alignment tool that we used to make sure my rings were in line with each other. Mine were just ever so slightly off. Not much, but enough for us to lap. The inside of my rings weren't perfectly even either. So we lapped.

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 Post subject: Re: scope mounting
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:54 am 
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Here is a complete kit, similar to the one we used. If you get a kit, be sure it's for the size rings you have, either 1" or 30mm. If you do lap, a little goes a long way. Don't over do it.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/879712/wheeler-engineering-scope-ring-alignment-and-lapping-kit

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 Post subject: Re: scope mounting
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That's very helpful. Very appreciative of the information. It is a bit different than my old single bar and looks like it would work better.

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 Post subject: Re: scope mounting
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TEXASBOARS wrote:
That's very helpful. Very appreciative of the information. It is a bit different than my old single bar and looks like it would work better.


My pleasure. For years I just screwed on some bases, attached some el cheapo rings, and put a scope from wally world in them. And, I figured if I could do a 3 or 4 inch group I'd be ok. Scopes failing, missed animals, fogged scopes at the wrong times, dents in scope bodies, scope ring marks.......etc, all frustrated me for a long time. Then I bought Melissa that Abolt .270 and had the nice Leupold scope professionally mounted. I luckily got to watch them when they mounted it. They ensure it was on straight, and was solid. I bought Leupold rings and bases for the rifle so that everything would match and was solid. It's been solid and accurate since day one. My buddy, Clay Pope, has the scope mounting tools that we used to mount my latest scope. He opened my eyes even more to the lapping process, and proper torquing of the screws. Shucks, doing it myself I was just cranking on the screws until I figured they were tight enough. And, sometimes that was too tight.

If you look on Ebay at used scopes you can see the results on many of the scopes from uneven rings. There will be ring marks, dents, rub marks.....etc.

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 Post subject: Re: scope mounting
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yep,
if a gun won't hold zero, it is a zero.
Scope mounted correctly, with the same ammunition, should stay on zero, year after year after year, thru truck rides and rough handling the gun stays on zero.

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 Post subject: Re: scope mounting
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TEXASBOARS wrote:
yep,
if a gun won't hold zero, it is a zero.
Scope mounted correctly, with the same ammunition, should stay on zero, year after year after year, thru truck rides and rough handling the gun stays on zero.


I just had to replace a Pentax 8-32x50AO that bit the big one. I wasn't holding zero, and shots tended to walk on me. I should have suspected something was up with the scope. Then, during it's last range session, everything went blurry. A lens had come loose inside the scope. It was a scope Clay had given me, and I hadn't done any research on it. However, after doing a little research I found that the Pentax scopes made in China weren't known for quality, and many folks had similar failures. I also found out that Pentax had been sold, and the new company won't replace or repair the scopes made in China. Imagine that.

Ole Clay recommended Vortex, any Vortex, over all other brands. When I asked why, he said mostly due to warranty. They have a lifetime no questions asked warranty. That's good. So, I checked them out. When I compared scopes by looking through them, and their features, I felt the Nikons were better scopes in my price range. Nikon also has a lifetime warranty. And, they have pretty good reviews from almost everyone that I've read. When I found the Prostaff 5 on sale, it was an easy decision. Especially, after I looked through it in comparison to the Vortex scopes in the same price range. I thought about another Leupold, but couldn't find any in that same price range that could compare on the glass and features I wanted. The BDC reticle and SpotOn program Nikon has is pretty neat. I can program in my loads, ANY load that I want, and get the BDC reticle to match up, then print out the BDC info for use in the field. It's pretty cool.

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Thanks for sharing. I have the same problem with my scope.


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On a side note from my last post above. The Nikon Prostaff 5 also bit the big one. The O ring seal at the front lens came loose after less than 100rnds. I ended up putting a Vortex Viper 4-16x50 HS LR on the rifle, and now about 300rnds in, it's still going strong.

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