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 Post Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:06 pm 
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I had an uncomfortable encounter with some hog doggers this morning. I was entering one of the properties I hunt when a truck pulled up to the gate and the driver asked if I was the owner. I said no and he started telling me they had been hunting the night before a mile or so away and lost a dog and his radio showed it might be on this place and wanted to know if he could go in and look for it.
Knowing that the owner would not be ok with it, I said I could not give that permission but I would ask when I got back to the house and if it was ok, I would send word back to the front gate.
I told him that I hunted hogs there and he should not have allowed his dogs to get on the place. His reply was, "dogs don't know fences" and my reply back was "I understand that but you do and it is your responsibility to keep them from chasing hogs on property that you do not have permission to hunt on". He got huffy with me and said that it was not illegal for his dogs to chase on other properties as long as he did not trespass. I argued back that he was wrong and should keep his dogs off this property.
I'm sure there must be some that do not do this, but every hog dogger that I have ever met has had the attitude that his dogs can go where ever they want to and run hogs across fences into properties that they have no permission to be on. That is simply not the case and I really wish these guys would have more respect for property lines.
The owner of the property was very unhappy that the dogs may have been on the their property and refused to allow them in. We looked for the dog but did not find it. No telling where it might have gone and whose place it crossed.
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 Post Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:28 pm 
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 Post Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:03 pm 
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Randy, that's a common problem. There are some hog doggers though that have a good handle on their dogs, and will call them off hogs to ensure they do not tresspass on property where they don't have permission. Not all hog doggers are like the ones you met. The ones you met give the good hog doggers a bad name.

As long as I can remember there has always been a debate about whether a hog dogger should be able to call their dogs off a hog to keep them from tresspassing. A lot of hog doggers feel like if they can call their dogs off a hog, then the dog ain't no good on hogs and has no grit. Then there are those who just don't care and say they can't control where their dogs go, but they gotta go in and get them out if they tresspass(like those you met). And, then there are the true professionals, courteous hunters who respect boundries and property lines. Those are the guys who will have good solid hog dogs, with a handle. Their dogs will find and hold hogs, but can also be controlled by their owner. Those are the hog doggers that really care about their sport. When I think of a true professional hog dogger that cares I think of guys like Mr Mason. He is a leader in the hog dogging world, and one who should be emulated by the younger guys.

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 Post Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:19 pm 
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Thank you Marty for the sound advice, and may I add:

:silent: I got no problem saying this.

#1 is always get the dog owners name and contact information so that you can contact them if you catch their dogs.
#2 Notify the sheriff that "unidentified dogs" have been chasing harassing livestock (wild hogs are now legally classified as livestock). ---> "supply any dog owners name and contact number you may have but be sure to make it clear it's multiple dogs and you're not sure who owns them.
-->> be sure to include the fact that multiple dogs (un-identified collared and uncollared) are harassing and chasing the livestock as well as destroying you business/client association -
IN addition you would add anything the dog owners might say that would lead you to believe they could not control their dogs, they would return, and so-on.

At that point the sheriff department should instruct you on your options:
you can "catch and kennel" the dogs for purposes of civil restitution or kill dogs on site if / or,,,,

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 Post Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:37 pm 
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RandyTausch wrote:
I told him that I hunted hogs there and he should not have allowed his dogs to get on the place. His reply was, "dogs don't know fences" and my reply back was "I understand that but you do and it is your responsibility to keep them from chasing hogs on property that you do not have permission to hunt on". He got huffy with me and said that it was not illegal for his dogs to chase on other properties as long as he did not trespass.
Randy

My advice, is to remain respectful at all times, but here's some law for thought.

As of the "new" and revised laws from the TAHC and TDW regarding EXOTIC LIVESTOCK.
Wild hogs are legally defined by Texas Law as "LIVESTOCK belonging to the property owners on which property they reside".
:arrow: Dogs may not chase or harass "LIVESTOCK",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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 Post Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:11 pm 
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TEXASBOARS wrote:
RandyTausch wrote:
I told him that I hunted hogs there and he should not have allowed his dogs to get on the place. His reply was, "dogs don't know fences" and my reply back was "I understand that but you do and it is your responsibility to keep them from chasing hogs on property that you do not have permission to hunt on". He got huffy with me and said that it was not illegal for his dogs to chase on other properties as long as he did not trespass.
Randy

My advice, is to remain respectful at all times, but here's some law for thought.

As of the "new" and revised laws from the TAHC and TDW regarding EXOTIC LIVESTOCK.
Wild hogs are legally defined by Texas Law as "LIVESTOCK belonging to the property owners on which property they reside".
:arrow: Dogs may not chase or harass "LIVESTOCK",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,



And, this particular law is one that a lot of hog doggers are either not aware of, or just don't care about. Some think that just because feral hogs are a nuisance animal that there are no laws that govern their possession, or that the landowner where they reside has any rights to them. There is even some confusion sometimes regarding the need for a hunting license to harvest or kill them.

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 Post Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:30 pm 
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mley1 wrote:
TEXASBOARS wrote:
RandyTausch wrote:
There is even some confusion sometimes regarding the need for a hunting license to harvest or kill them.


I hear if hogs are degrading my property(rooting) I need no license, but sport hunting requires one. So, what's the truth?


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 Post Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:57 am 
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If it's your property, you don't need a license to kill hogs.
If its somebody else's property - (?) it all depends on the circumstances.
A new local wardin told me I had to have a license, I told him, (2) wardins already told me I did NOT need a license (?) Then he "mis-stated" how the law was written. I called him out an that and he back-stepped,,,,,,,,,,,, "maybe you don't, it's all in the interpretation"
My advice, if you're hunting somebody else's property, get a license.

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 Post Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:24 am 
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TEXASBOARS wrote:
If it's your property, you don't need a license to kill hogs.
If its somebody else's property - (?) it all depends on the circumstances.
A new local wardin told me I had to have a license, I told him, (2) wardins already told me I did NOT need a license (?) Then he "mis-stated" how the law was written. I called him out an that and he back-stepped,,,,,,,,,,,, "maybe you don't, it's all in the interpretation"
My advice, if you're hunting somebody else's property, get a license.


I agree with Texasboars. If it's not your property, or your not the ranch foreman, get a license. Getting a license is cheap insurance against any misinterpretation. You might beat the case, but you can't beat the ride!

I would also say if you PAY to hunt hogs, or PAY to lease land to hunt hogs, you WILL need a hunting license to hunt them. As a paying client, you are NOT the landowner or the landowners agent.

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 Post Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:27 pm 
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I feel your pain. And we landowners have some of our own pain. It seems people out here in the country don't mind letting their dogs roam wherever they want, whenever they want, without regard to fences. Makes it difficult to produce an effective feeder clearing when there are foreign dogs patrolling it. These are just from the last few months:

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 Post Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:59 pm 
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That last one is a really big dog ! :lol:


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